3-Hole Showcase Tours

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pyates

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« Reply #30 on: April 21, 2016, 08:16:11 PM »
thanks mate. are you starting a new tour soon?
Both pyates and I are involved in course design contests, and those submission deadlines are rapidly approaching.  Personally, I've been spending almost all my TGC time in the designer and I imagine pyates is also spending a lot of time working on his Olympics submission.  I think, once those are over (the HB Rookies ends May 1 and the TGCTLive Olympics ends May 15), you'll see this tour pick back up. 

However, we are always looking for course submissions.  If one of us needs a break from the designer and another six courses are ready to go, we'll gladly publish the next tour.

Yeah spot on in terms of how my time has been spent. Due to the ps messages app being on the shared iPad and that being how I get my screenshots, it's meant I've not quite gotten around to completing my reviews.

Our deadline is actually 29th April, so basically 1 week to go. Then I'll have a bit more time on my hands for this sort of thing. Anyways, busy typing away now, provided I don't get interrupted :)
Full Courses:
Sandy Foot Links (TGCTLive Olympic Entry)
Royal Brumby
Tye Dunes II
Tye Dunes
Marazion Golf Club
University Links (TGCT 2015 Open Championship)

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« Reply #31 on: April 21, 2016, 08:38:28 PM »
Clifton Lakes Country Club

First off, I know Wagtunes is keen to learn so I will attempt to provide some useful pointers. Hopefully I won't offend :-D

Par 5, 414yards
Ok so this is a strange start if I am honest. You are trying something a little different having a banana shaped hole with a big risk reward element. I.e. Just how much can you cut off. This in principle is great but the execution neglects a few basics.  First off, here is the view off the tee:


The aim is straight into trees which will annoy at least 95% of players including the designer himself at a guess? The fairway starts off far to the left and winds around, but as a TGC golfer driving 265yards you'd never hit down the left. However, what adds to the realism on a good course IMO is consideration for the imaginary non virtual golfer. Trees actively block this route which suggests consideration is only for the cut off the corner route.

Now for the tee shot itself... With almost no wind I just went for the green, on a par 5... Here is where I ended up... Yes it is in the rough but it's just a pitch away:


Make it a par 4, lessen the angle slightly and open up the left side of the water and you have a good risk reward hole.  One thing I also noticed was this little bit of rough eating into fairway. I believe it is likely in error due to the red brush sculpting being below water (rocks hint at this). To fix raise up or flattern with the red brush.


Another thing, I strongly suggest setting the tee size to 0 and making your own, or at least put rough or heavy rough around it, right now is is a big square with an ugly dark rim:


Par 4, 471yards
This hole actually does a lot of things right, there are just a few subtle touches that show to the trained eye. For starters though, this tee shot looks great, nice use of trees framing the shot (varied and interesting) plus you show off the fairway bunker nicely.


I also felt the position of the bunker was excellent, you could really cut a decent amount off the corner with a slightly risky line.  One thing to note though is that from the overhead you can see very clearly the shapes used:


Whilst this isn't necessarily a bad thing, I can see that each shape spans the width of the fairway meaning that you get a pinched effect between shapes.  I always try to go down one side first, heavily overlapping shapes in order to smooth the transitions, and then go down the other side.  This prevents the overall width from going in out in out.

My next point probably comes from an attempt to keep thing interesting by mixing up the shapes a lot. However I believe this has allowed you to fall into a common trap. I believe you likely use the 1 click fairway, 2/3 clicks rough technique? If you do so then in order to keep the band of rough consistent you need to use brushes of similar size and fuzziness.  The fuzzier the brush the thicker this technique makes the band of rough. This screenshot shows that quite clearly I believe:


Another issue is that the bunker doesn't have a consistent edge around it. I think it looks fine with 50/50 light to heavy rough when intended, but otherwise should be the same type all round avoiding the ultra thin strips you can see in this pic.


Par 4, 447yards
I really enjoyed this last hole. Not sure if it was intended but I hit a high draw through the trees and ended up with a short pitch. Mega high risk though which was rewarded. The more standard approach makes for a decent 2 shot par 4. Perhaps a little more interest of the tee would make things even better, but good hole to end on.


Overall
I thought the greens were solid. Gently sloping, making them interesting by not too difficult. I like a bit more challenge, but work well certainly for lower CC tour players

Closing statement/disclaimer!!!
Hope my feedback is well received, I took the liberty of providing some detailed feedback as I see it, but take what you wish from it... Some of my observations were guess work, so sorry if I guessed wrong, but most of my tips should still apply I hope. Of course, just my opinions as well, I do have some courses that have done well, but doesn't make me an expert :)
« Last Edit: April 22, 2016, 08:45:04 PM by pyates »
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Sandy Foot Links (TGCTLive Olympic Entry)
Royal Brumby
Tye Dunes II
Tye Dunes
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University Links (TGCT 2015 Open Championship)

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« Reply #32 on: April 22, 2016, 04:19:21 AM »
Cool look forward to seeing both of your courses!
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« Reply #33 on: April 22, 2016, 09:02:30 PM »
The Barnacle - Forest

Par 3, 178yards
Very nice hole to start us off. Quite open but it is nicely framed by the bunkers all around and the clubhouse beyond. The bunkers don't really come into play but look great. This one is a exercise of running onto the green from a fairway landing. Very nicely done from both visuals and playability point of view. Bogey shouldn't really be a risk but birdie will require a good couple of shots


Par 5, 530yards
This is another very good hole in a lot of ways, reaching in 2 is perfectly possible but a small well protected green makes eagle a very outside chance.


What I wasn't a big fan of was the options off the tee. In actual fact in terms of playability it is excellent as the player potentially has 3 fairways that could be used:


The problem is, that I felt that only the middle one (the holes actual fairway) was intended as an option, so IRL you may get people knocking their drives down against the run of play. It's a bit picky, but it just took a way a little realism for me.  Otherwise, the tee shot looks nice and it's a great hole


Par 4, 415yards
This hole is probably the most memorable from playing the full course for me. It hugs the coastline very nicely and has a stunning looking tee shot:


Looking pretty awesome from the 2nd shot too. Lighting in particular looks great in this one.


Silly little nit pick beyond the green... The steps look great but the grass could do with rotating as you can clearly see them repeat:


Overall, I thoroughly enjoyed both Barnacle courses (both full course and showcase). Very fun to play and both are distinctive and look great. Definitely recommend and look forward to more courses :)
Full Courses:
Sandy Foot Links (TGCTLive Olympic Entry)
Royal Brumby
Tye Dunes II
Tye Dunes
Marazion Golf Club
University Links (TGCT 2015 Open Championship)

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« Reply #34 on: October 24, 2016, 12:19:47 AM »
These critiques are great! Would like to see more!
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« Reply #35 on: October 25, 2016, 11:29:08 AM »
These critiques are great! Would like to see more!

Thank you.  I enjoyed making them actually. Focusing on just 3 holes allows you to go into a lot of detail as you can see :D.  It also works on the basis that if designers get feedback on what they consider to be their best 3 holes on a course then it is where they can learn the most.  Normally you can find lots of good and lots of not so good if you really scratch below the surface on a good hole.

Unfortunately I am not sure the designers featured above ever saw these reviews which was a shame given the time put into them.  I certainly plan on doing some more of these when TGC2 arrives.  But I may just test the water with a re-launch of the format sooner rather than later.

Cheers :)
Full Courses:
Sandy Foot Links (TGCTLive Olympic Entry)
Royal Brumby
Tye Dunes II
Tye Dunes
Marazion Golf Club
University Links (TGCT 2015 Open Championship)

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« Reply #36 on: October 25, 2016, 02:26:00 PM »
Just Published County Cornwall Golf Club (3 Hole Showcase). Hope it meets your standards and doesn't get bashed to much ... LOL.


ALSO, I would like to help out any way I can, with reviews or whatever you need. Recently retired, so time is not really an issue.







« Last Edit: October 25, 2016, 02:54:34 PM by MichiganBuckeye »
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Manahawkin White Water Reserve
Fishermans Dock at South Bethany (On Tour with TGC Tours)
Rocky Top Golf Club
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« Reply #37 on: October 25, 2016, 05:20:12 PM »
Just Published County Cornwall Golf Club (3 Hole Showcase). Hope it meets your standards and doesn't get bashed to much ... LOL.


ALSO, I would like to help out any way I can, with reviews or whatever you need. Recently retired, so time is not really an issue.







Nice one... guess I'm back in the game then :D!

I'll probably find suitable places to repost this in TGCTours forums and here. I'll also make sure I private message the designers when I post cos it can easily be missed. Thinking I'll also post a tour every once in a while with them. May be several days before I get started but I'll start with County Cornwall... great name btw, is that Cornwall England or has somewhere in America stolen the name :D?
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Royal Brumby
Tye Dunes II
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« Reply #38 on: October 26, 2016, 08:22:33 AM »
Yes it's Cornwall, England. My wife is British and when we visited the area I just fell in love with it. This course is fictional but it does somewhat capture the coastal area of Cornwall.

I will be publishing the 18 hole course in a few days.
« Last Edit: October 26, 2016, 08:24:40 AM by MichiganBuckeye »
Courses Created:

Manahawkin White Water Reserve
Fishermans Dock at South Bethany (On Tour with TGC Tours)
Rocky Top Golf Club
East Satawket Lowlands GC (On Tour with TGC Tours)
Chatham Club of Vancouver Island (On Tour with TGC Tours)

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« Reply #39 on: October 30, 2016, 11:58:35 AM »
Yes it's Cornwall, England. My wife is British and when we visited the area I just fell in love with it. This course is fictional but it does somewhat capture the coastal area of Cornwall.

I will be publishing the 18 hole course in a few days.

That's awesome.  We've been down to Cornwall many times and also completely in love with it (and Devon too, both are so beautiful) :).  My Marazion course is a bit fantasy but based off the real place in Cornwall where St Micheal's Mount is.

I have decided to not do the 3 hole showcase again... I just don't have the time at the moment.  The new year may be quieter for me so we'll see what happens then, or at least TGC2.

As for your course I'll definitely review in the next few days.  I'll post it to your course thread.
Full Courses:
Sandy Foot Links (TGCTLive Olympic Entry)
Royal Brumby
Tye Dunes II
Tye Dunes
Marazion Golf Club
University Links (TGCT 2015 Open Championship)

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« Reply #40 on: November 01, 2016, 05:03:11 PM »
If you need courses I may be able to find three I like in my newest WIP that is almost done by next week. ILYK here if I publish a showcase.

I did get a lot of geedback last time I posted a showcase to you and this next one should catch a lot more eyes. This really is the perfect opportunity for newer designers to get noticed. I hope it gathers steam again. LL3HS!!!

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« Reply #41 on: November 01, 2016, 07:33:21 PM »
Thought I'd post my most recent review in here as well:

This is for 'County Cornwall Golf Club':

Right... played the 3 hole showcase version a few times taking pictures as I went.  Hope you are ready... time for some feedback. I notice lots of things that most would consider minor.  However these are things that can be worked on to really take the course up a level in my opinion.  Everything here is intended to help, so I hope it is taken in the right way.

Opening tee shot.  Has a nice countryside feel, could certainly be somewhere in England :).  Would maybe lay the fairway a little closer to the tee just to make the fairway stand out a little more, but otherwise a nice shot.


I wasn't a massive fan of the landing area though.  It just seems to be peppered with a few round bunkers.  Leaving a bit of space behind them so you can raise up the backs not only makes them look better but they stand out more and look more realistic.  The placement also seems random.  If the landing area narrowed then it would offer some skill for those wishing to push the long drive, currently if you hit it at a particular distance you are playing with chance as to whether you survive it seems to me.


Now the arch here looks great, very well done... and very Arctic Fury :).  The only negative is that I'm not sure it fits into the landscape as a whole.  Would perhaps be better as part of a larger rock formation.


This one is really starting to get picky, but for many folk (myself included) like to look around the plot and outside of the immediate hole.  I actually spotted this from the first green... where I could see trees under the water.  Up against the edge of the plot the water just stops.  If you have a theme with a closed backdrop then best to raise the edges above water level IMO.


Next couple of pics show some bushes over the edge of the fairway and narrow/missing light rough.  A consistent light rough width always looks better IMO.  A tip from me, if you place fairway once, don't move the brush and change to light rough and place twice (or more) you can get a consistent edge.  Just keep in mind that making the brushes significantly larger or with a fuzzier edge will change the amount of light rough you get doing this.  And I suspect the bushes are auto gen... both a great friend and your worst enemy that auto gen.  Bites me often :)



Overall, I did enjoy this hole.  I thought it was a challenging and interesting hole.  I can see the English influence... hard to say whether specifically Cornish, but Cornwall has a very varied landscape and so this would certainly not be out of place.

A very nice looking tee shot on the 2nd of the 3 holes.  The hole is a little hidden but I quite like that and the hole is framed nicely.


These next 2 pics show off the nice undulating green (which I like).  However the trees also overhang the green and the bunkers which is a shame... AND WHAT IS THAT!!! Looking at my images there looks to be a lovely little custom bench hidden in there.  It is so hidden it is pure chance I saw it.  I like to hide my little creations off to the side a little but that is such a shame... I'm probably the only one to see it and I didn't see it in game :)



Really like the hole... just needs some tidying up a little IMO.

Onto hole 3... and my teeshot pic is missing :(.  Moving onto the fairway... and there is a little patch of rough in the middle there.  Easy thing to do, just needs a little bit of fairway to cover it.  Otherwise slightly uneven, but I quite like the landing area here.


This next pic has some good some bad.  The bad... that missing light rough strip on the right.  Otherwise, I really like the island of trees/bushes to the right.  Nice narrow entrance to the hole.  And the green has a great little backstop which I went for...


... oh.  I went too far on one occasion and was completely blocked visually by a tree, and I was only just off the green.  This green really suffers from overcrowding of trees/bushes again.  Otherwise the green is very nice.


Overall, with a little love the course has some potential, certainly plays well.  I think work on the bunkers would be a huge plus and maybe some buildings or coastline (using maybe highlands theme) to give the plot a bit more interest beyond the immediate holes.  Thanks for sharing
Full Courses:
Sandy Foot Links (TGCTLive Olympic Entry)
Royal Brumby
Tye Dunes II
Tye Dunes
Marazion Golf Club
University Links (TGCT 2015 Open Championship)

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« Reply #42 on: November 01, 2016, 07:34:39 PM »
If you need courses I may be able to find three I like in my newest WIP that is almost done by next week. ILYK here if I publish a showcase.

I did get a lot of geedback last time I posted a showcase to you and this next one should catch a lot more eyes. This really is the perfect opportunity for newer designers to get noticed. I hope it gathers steam again. LL3HS!!!

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Thank you, that is great to hear.

I'm certainly not going full throttle at the 3 hole showcase at the moment.  But if folk post courses then I'll happily review when I get the time. 
Full Courses:
Sandy Foot Links (TGCTLive Olympic Entry)
Royal Brumby
Tye Dunes II
Tye Dunes
Marazion Golf Club
University Links (TGCT 2015 Open Championship)

 

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