Unfair mouse control system!

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sham63

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« Reply #15 on: May 22, 2016, 11:32:50 PM »
Alright, I decided to do some testing among some different mouse pads. My pad is Corsair gaming mouse pad, the ones my kids use, a generic kitty mouse pad, and a steelseries gaming pad, a generic gray pad, and something tried out of desperation.  My mouse is Logitech M510, probably the most comfortable mouse I have ever used. When my mouse swing stopped working I tried a new mouse pad, and gaming mouse, a Logitech G303 Daedalus Apex. Besides being uncomfortable, it was just awful to use in this game. I returned that thing real quick. From worst to first this is how they performed.

                    5. My Corsair pad was the worst by far. Lucky to get 80% or so full power. Also hitting straight shots was a lot more difficult.
                    4/3. The steelseries and kitty were pretty close, both obviously better. Around 85-90%.
                    2. Generic gray was just a little better, but it was noticeable. Low 90% range.
                    1. The mystery pad was obviously the best. It was more consistent in power, 95-100% for full power.

I was quite surprised that a blank sheet of printer paper performed the best. I wonder what will happen if I buy a different brand of paper? Will the mouse swing go in the toilet again? I have never seen such issues with mouse control in a game. I will play it more now, but there is no way I will buy a TGC 2 if the this is not addressed.
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« Reply #16 on: May 23, 2016, 12:07:39 AM »
I have several mouse pads that I have used in the past. I actually like the Corsair MM600, which is on an aluminum base. Also good is the Razer Firefly. 

I'm getting a new mouse next week, the new Asus Spatha.  Like my current Razer Mamba, it has a calibration feature that supposedly will match the mouse to the mousepad better.  The Razer does quite well with this when it comes to power.

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« Reply #17 on: May 26, 2016, 10:33:41 AM »
I was getting many shots of 80%, I use a Razer e-blue, I thought that my lowest DPI setting was 800 which should have a mouse setting of 49, but on closer inspection my DPI was 500. So now I have DPI 500, and mouse setting at 55 and I get 100%  99 times out of 100.   

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« Reply #18 on: June 10, 2016, 02:27:59 PM »
I've noticed the same thing. I can't seem to get any consistency at all with mouse control. I ended up switching to an XBox 3360 controller, and that seems to work fine.

I have to say, if I hadn't had a controller available, it's unlikely I'd have played the game past the first few frustration tries.

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« Reply #19 on: June 11, 2016, 12:36:07 AM »
I was just poking around here looking for any tips on mouse control... I should probably get a controller too, but I did notice that, personally, I was pushing the mouse forward too fast - which made it harder to keep straight. I backed down on just the speed I move the mouse (my sensitivity is pretty high), and my shots improved quite a bit. I still hook and slice too often, I might try the controller too. Thanks for the suggestions, etc :)

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« Reply #20 on: June 11, 2016, 07:50:37 AM »
I find with the mouse if it is NOT straight on plane, it will slice and hook.

The key is finding that hand position and being consistent using it.

As to power, I also slowed my forward motion down and get many more 100% straight shots now.

I also have been playing on the hardest driver setting.

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« Reply #21 on: June 22, 2016, 02:23:59 AM »
Hi Folks!

i am realy not the man, who is angry when having fun at playing.
BUT the mouse contol system in this game is MORE than unfair.

Why:
I am playing the TGC Tour now.
So, training hard, optimizing controling mouse movement forwards and backwards.
And, what shall i say... it works.
But suddenly, in the tournament--> no way.




Moving mouse same way as i always do, but 52%, not 100% like at last swing.
Next time trying IRON 4, same procedure, one time 100%, next time 45%.
It is not the thing, if i have a range from 100% to 97, or 98... but movement is
the same and i have 100% on one hand and 45% on the other.

That is not a problem of my movement, it is FOR SURE a problem of the game.
In that way, playing does not make any kind of fun.

And looking of incoming updates, i have the misgiving, the game will not develop in
further future..... "poor PC- Mouse Gamers"

Greetings from Austria

Didi

I play in TGC and use mouse, occasionally I will get a lag swing, but it is me, not the game and like you, I have top notch pc, frame rate etc. Trick is when swinging do the  1, 2, 3 count when you club is at a full back swing, most lag shots are from swinging forward to quickly when you reach backswing so count 1, 2,3 swing.. See if that helps you to get your rhythm going  Cheers

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« Reply #22 on: July 10, 2016, 06:24:40 PM »
I find with the mouse if it is NOT straight on plane, it will slice and hook.

The key is finding that hand position and being consistent using it.

This ^

I noticed that I slightly twist the mouse on the downswing and it causes me to slice.  I have to feel like I'm pulling to the left.

This is something that is not possible on a gamepad.
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Inflames47

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« Reply #23 on: February 28, 2017, 08:42:22 AM »
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Even if mouse control was added later, how hard can it be to do it correctly? It has been done correctly so many times already, and it is not exactly a new peripheral for the pc. Now I don't know if mouse was added in later, but if I had known that the game was designed for controller use only I would not have purchased it. I don't have a controller for the pc, and I am not going to spend $60 to get one. The one thing that is odd, is that for a brief time mouse worked ok enough to play. After I upgraded to the collectors edition, it became worse than it ever was. I feel that if HB is not going to support mouse swing, they should say so and remove it. This way I will know to give up on the game and not keep hoping for an update that will fix it.

I hit perfectly straight with mouse, but I will tell you I had many issues in the last few days with it heading to left. Now I can tell you exactly why because I have 3 computers in house, varying graphic, all the same mouse.  I continue to hit straight on 2 of them, the other still heading left no matter what I did, but I had G Sync on V sync off, but even when I turned off and V-Sync on it still messed my swing. So  If you have G-Sync turn it off and be sure V Sync is on. (The only pc with G-Sync btw)

 Delete your profile in in windows C:\Users\yourname\AppData\LocalLow\HB Studios Multimedia Ltd_\The Golf Club 2\Common ( you will have to be sure you can see hidden files ) There you will see your profile copy and save it somewhere else handy for you just in case then delete your profile.htm, uninstall the game  then reinstall fresh, which will create a new profile.

This cleared up my issue with my swing  and now I am hitting straight with almost perfect/perfect for tempo.

As far as us mouse users vs controllers It gives the true feeling of swinging a club, I play both, I prefer mouse. It shouldn't pit one against the other. Just glad we have the options.  There is no reason to remove the mouse option it works fine. Every computer is different you need to sort out what your initial problem is but the more you change settings the more likely you are to mess up a config file, so that is why I suggest you at least try what I did.  Good luck I hope it all works out for you.
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« Reply #24 on: February 28, 2017, 08:49:51 AM »
Well i dunno, but as everyone knows..or should know by now....the game was originally developed for PC to be used with a controller...mouse/kb was added because of many requests...no 3-click meter or true swing ruler.... ::)

So, sorry but i just don't get the bitchin' about different game play....

Everyone playing on PC is going to experience differences in game play, regardless of whether you play mouse/kb, or controller...everything, is in play many variables.........

I experience none of your problems on TGCT with only 60mbps download...i do, use a controller.... ::)

Ya think maybe, the mouse/kb could be the problem...just a thought.........


AND, if that is the problem...remember, the original concept of the game...... ???  What....

Even if mouse control was added later, how hard can it be to do it correctly? It has been done correctly so many times already, and it is not exactly a new peripheral for the pc. Now I don't know if mouse was added in later, but if I had known that the game was designed for controller use only I would not have purchased it. I don't have a controller for the pc, and I am not going to spend $60 to get one. The one thing that is odd, is that for a brief time mouse worked ok enough to play. After I upgraded to the collectors edition, it became worse than it ever was. I feel that if HB is not going to support mouse swing, they should say so and remove it. This way I will know to give up on the game and not keep hoping for an update that will fix it.

Controllers are about $30, not $60

And you're forgetting this game was made for consoles too - not just a PC.  there's no reason not to play this game using a controller it's not 2003 anymore.

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« Reply #25 on: February 28, 2017, 10:14:55 AM »
Mouse and Keyboard still is the standard user Interface on a PC. There is absolutesly NO reason for changing that.


There is no reason to add a console to the PC as long as none of the software you use is mandatory asking for another interface to be used. TGC does NOT require any console. But neither KEYBOARD nor MOUSE do work properly with TGC tho several fixes have been asked for since day 1 over and over again.





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ADX321

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« Reply #26 on: February 28, 2017, 10:46:22 AM »
Mouse and Keyboard still is the standard user Interface on a PC. There is absolutesly NO reason for changing that.


There is no reason to add a console to the PC as long as none of the software you use is mandatory asking for another interface to be used. TGC does NOT require any console. But neither KEYBOARD nor MOUSE do work properly with TGC tho several fixes have been asked for since day 1 over and over again.

You're not really accurate in terms of sports games on PC.

Play NBA Live 16 using mouse and keyboard :)

What you're saying is true for many types of games including fps and mmo but not sports games nor has it ever been.

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« Reply #27 on: February 28, 2017, 10:52:49 AM »
IIRC, TGC1 was developed primarily with a controller in mind......the mouse/keyboard was tacked on later.
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« Reply #28 on: February 28, 2017, 11:09:41 AM »
@ADX: Off the point.
TGC does nowhere state that its mandatory to use a console, nor even that it "best playes" when using consoles. In contrary whereever you look it up it is listed amongs PC-games with no further restriction.
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« Reply #29 on: February 28, 2017, 11:13:00 AM »
@ADX: Off the point.
TGC does nowhere state that its mandatory to use a console, nor even that it "best playes" when using consoles. In contrary whereever you look it up it is listed amongs PC-games with no further restriction.

When you use console do you mean controller?

5 seconds of research tells anyone that wants to know that a controller is the best way to play the game as would knowing the game is also available on the consoles, and basically a port.

Nobody is saying it's mandatory it's just better. 
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