XBox One Scorpio & TGC2

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« Reply #30 on: September 12, 2016, 11:28:24 AM »
I would be more interested in it for BF1 and BF5. My guess is though even if you have a 4k tv if the specs are not right on it then it wont make a difference. Also with the out of region server issues it may look better and run better on your end but the end result will still be the same.
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« Reply #31 on: September 12, 2016, 11:32:16 AM »
So why did they come out with the XB1 S if they are going to make the Scorpio? I am a little confused with this. The S runs movies and TV on 4k but the Scorpio will be able to run games , TV and movies on 4k?

The Xbox one S was necessary so they could:
-discontinue the Kinect
-shrink the size and allow vertical orientation
-position the hardware as the best and only 4K blue ray player
-offer HDR

The Scorpio is a huge progression as the Xbox one and Xbox one S have less than 1.5 teraflops but the Scorpio will start at 6 teraflops.  That's almost 2 or more than the ps4 pro

Basically in the Xbox ones vision to offer exclusives as both Xbox and PC, you're getting current PC very high quality possibilities whereas the Xbox one s fits the lower end customer who don't want or need the latest and greatest hardware.

It's basically like a laptop PC with a graphics card vs an Alienware or MSI high end gaming machine.

Does the HDR help with gaming quality?

Sounds to me if you can wait for the Scorpio then there is no point in buying the S.
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« Reply #32 on: September 12, 2016, 11:34:10 AM »
So why did they come out with the XB1 S if they are going to make the Scorpio? I am a little confused with this. The S runs movies and TV on 4k but the Scorpio will be able to run games , TV and movies on 4k?

The Xbox one S was necessary so they could:
-discontinue the Kinect
-shrink the size and allow vertical orientation
-position the hardware as the best and only 4K blue ray player
-offer HDR

The Scorpio is a huge progression as the Xbox one and Xbox one S have less than 1.5 teraflops but the Scorpio will start at 6 teraflops.  That's almost 2 or more than the ps4 pro

Basically in the Xbox ones vision to offer exclusives as both Xbox and PC, you're getting current PC very high quality possibilities whereas the Xbox one s fits the lower end customer who don't want or need the latest and greatest hardware.

It's basically like a laptop PC with a graphics card vs an Alienware or MSI high end gaming machine.

Does the HDR help with gaming quality?

Sounds to me if you can wait for the Scorpio then there is no point in buying the S.

Only on a new 4K TV with HDR10 does it enhance but the game has to be HDR as well.

As Microsoft has said publicly, don't buy the Xbox one s if you want improved graphics, etc.

It's only a logical upgrade if you want 4K for Netflix or 4K blueray. (Or if your current console breaks and is out of warranty)

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« Reply #33 on: September 12, 2016, 11:43:29 AM »
So why did they come out with the XB1 S if they are going to make the Scorpio? I am a little confused with this. The S runs movies and TV on 4k but the Scorpio will be able to run games , TV and movies on 4k?

The Xbox one S was necessary so they could:
-discontinue the Kinect
-shrink the size and allow vertical orientation
-position the hardware as the best and only 4K blue ray player
-offer HDR

The Scorpio is a huge progression as the Xbox one and Xbox one S have less than 1.5 teraflops but the Scorpio will start at 6 teraflops.  That's almost 2 or more than the ps4 pro

Basically in the Xbox ones vision to offer exclusives as both Xbox and PC, you're getting current PC very high quality possibilities whereas the Xbox one s fits the lower end customer who don't want or need the latest and greatest hardware.

It's basically like a laptop PC with a graphics card vs an Alienware or MSI high end gaming machine.

Does the HDR help with gaming quality?

Sounds to me if you can wait for the Scorpio then there is no point in buying the S.

Only on a new 4K TV with HDR10 does it enhance but the game has to be HDR as well.

As Microsoft has said publicly, don't buy the Xbox one s if you want improved graphics, etc.

It's only a logical upgrade if you want 4K for Netflix or 4K blueray. (Or if your current console breaks and is out of warranty)

Ok thanks for the info.

I do have a 4k tv but how do I know if it has HDR10?

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« Reply #34 on: September 12, 2016, 01:17:27 PM »
So why did they come out with the XB1 S if they are going to make the Scorpio? I am a little confused with this. The S runs movies and TV on 4k but the Scorpio will be able to run games , TV and movies on 4k?

The Xbox one S was necessary so they could:
-discontinue the Kinect
-shrink the size and allow vertical orientation
-position the hardware as the best and only 4K blue ray player
-offer HDR

The Scorpio is a huge progression as the Xbox one and Xbox one S have less than 1.5 teraflops but the Scorpio will start at 6 teraflops.  That's almost 2 or more than the ps4 pro

Basically in the Xbox ones vision to offer exclusives as both Xbox and PC, you're getting current PC very high quality possibilities whereas the Xbox one s fits the lower end customer who don't want or need the latest and greatest hardware.

It's basically like a laptop PC with a graphics card vs an Alienware or MSI high end gaming machine.

Does the HDR help with gaming quality?

Sounds to me if you can wait for the Scorpio then there is no point in buying the S.

Only on a new 4K TV with HDR10 does it enhance but the game has to be HDR as well.

As Microsoft has said publicly, don't buy the Xbox one s if you want improved graphics, etc.

It's only a logical upgrade if you want 4K for Netflix or 4K blueray. (Or if your current console breaks and is out of warranty)

Ok thanks for the info.

I do have a 4k tv but how do I know if it has HDR10?

Your TV would have to be fairly new as in released in 2016 I believe.  HDR 10 is High Dynamic Range

HDR10   TV brands:

Hisense, LG, Samsung, Sharp, Sony, Vizio

Streaming services:
Amazon, Netflix, Ultra (Sony TVs)   

Hollywood studios:
Fox, Warner Bros., Paramount, Sony, Lionsgate

External devices:
Samsung UBD-K8500   

Disc-based media   :
4K Blu-ray

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« Reply #35 on: October 21, 2016, 11:11:14 AM »
It just occurred to me that the XBox One Scorpio might be able to present TGC 2 in 1080p @ 60 FPS, with reasonably high detail settings and draw distances.  That would be a huge step forward for the console experience, IMO!
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« Reply #36 on: October 21, 2016, 11:17:21 AM »
.... apparently it can do this in 4K

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« Reply #37 on: October 21, 2016, 11:17:54 AM »
It just occurred to me that the XBox One Scorpio might be able to present TGC 2 in 1080p @ 60 FPS, with reasonably high detail settings and draw distances.  That would be a huge step forward for the console experience, IMO!

I am holding out hope for more than that considering the specs, DX12, etc...
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« Reply #38 on: October 21, 2016, 12:06:48 PM »
.... apparently it can do this in 4K

Yes, but can it do it with TGC 2 in 4K?  I think HBS would have to code the game to take advantage of the Scorpio's advanced hardware to make this a reality.  Is the potential Scorpio market large enough for HBS to get an attractive return on investment for going that extra mile?
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« Reply #39 on: October 21, 2016, 12:10:18 PM »
I am holding out hope for more than that considering the specs, DX12, etc...

Yes, but wouldn't TGC 2 have to be coded to take advantage of DX12's advanced capabilities?  I'd like to see what TGC 2 would look like in 4K, but if it's not running at 45 FPS, or more, in doing so, I know it's not going to have the feedback feel that I desire.
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« Reply #40 on: October 21, 2016, 12:19:16 PM »
.... apparently it can do this in 4K

Yes, but can it do it with TGC 2 in 4K?  I think HBS would have to code the game to take advantage of the Scorpio's advanced hardware to make this a reality.  Is the potential Scorpio market large enough for HBS to get an attractive return on investment for going that extra mile?

That may come down to the capabilities of Unity  ... coding shouldn't be a issue as it's components are basically a PC in sheeps clothing  and the possibilities of cross gaming PC/Xbox via Windows 10
bringing in DX 12   ...... all the permutations jc 

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« Reply #41 on: October 21, 2016, 12:33:04 PM »
I am holding out hope for more than that considering the specs, DX12, etc...

Yes, but wouldn't TGC 2 have to be coded to take advantage of DX12's advanced capabilities?  I'd like to see what TGC 2 would look like in 4K, but if it's not running at 45 FPS, or more, in doing so, I know it's not going to have the feedback feel that I desire.

Good point....I was thinking of that other golf game with DX12 and Win10 integration....
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« Reply #42 on: October 21, 2016, 12:44:03 PM »
That may come down to the capabilities of Unity  ... coding shouldn't be a issue as it's components are basically a PC in sheeps clothing  and the possibilities of cross gaming PC/Xbox via Windows 10
bringing in DX 12   ...... all the permutations jc

Ahhhh... you are onto something here I believe Stan.  This is what Perfect Golf is doing with JNPG, which is going to make it a reality on the XBox One a lot sooner than the PS4.  You've suddenly brought 'economies of scale' into the picture!  :)

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« Reply #43 on: October 21, 2016, 02:44:07 PM »
Just to be safe.

The Xbox one S differs from the Xbox one
1. Size
2. No power brick
3. Has a 4K blue ray player
4. Can produce 4K videos from services like Netflix
5. Has HDR 10 support
6. Has an upscale that takes the 720, 900or 1080p game and upscales the image only for HDR10 4K HD TVs but it's not upscaling like the PS4 pro.  Basically for gaming it's just adjusting the image on the newer 4K tv's. But the resultion is going to remain native to what the orig Nap Xbox one produces.


The Xbox one Scorpio
-TBD on everything except
-6+ TFlops as this is what developers suggested the console needed to play 4K gaming and VR natively in true native 4K

I'd not tell ppl it's confirmed because the unit is not out as in the retail final decisions. They have publicly said they are monitoring what 4K gaming is for 2016-2017 as to finalize and make decisions on what else the Scorpio console will do/have   

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« Reply #44 on: October 21, 2016, 02:46:20 PM »
Just to be safe.

The Xbox one S differs from the Xbox one
1. Size
2. No power brick
3. Has a 4K blue ray player
4. Can produce 4K videos from services like Netflix
5. Has HDR 10 support
6. Has an upscale that takes the 720, 900or 1080p game and upscales the image only for HDR10 4K HD TVs but it's not upscaling like the PS4 pro.  Basically for gaming it's just adjusting the image on the newer 4K tv's. But the resultion is going to remain native to what the orig Nap Xbox one produces.


The Xbox one Scorpio
-TBD on everything except
-6+ TFlops as this is what developers suggested the console needed to play 4K gaming and VR natively in true native 4K

I'd not tell ppl it's confirmed because the unit is not out as in the retail final decisions. They have publicly said they are monitoring what 4K gaming is for 2016-2017 as to finalize and make decisions on what else the Scorpio console will do/have

Good thing....if they based the Scorpio on the latest specs they have released, it would need upgrading before release Holidays 2017....
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