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FRSTDWN

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« on: April 17, 2017, 01:38:31 PM »
Figured I would start a thread on this topic. It is going to come up I am sure. I had to figure it out the hard way so I hope this thread helps people save time and money. I am no expert on this stuff and I am sure some of these guys know way more. I am still a little confused on some of it.

So I am lucky enough to have a finished basement that is my man room. In the last 4-6 months I have made some changes down there and 4K was one of the things I wanted to get done. I got everything mounted including a new 4K TV , components, and my surround sound hard wired through the wall. I also got the xbox S.  Another thing I did do that is cool is get rid of the ugly drop ceiling and black the ceiling out. Added about 2-3 feet of space and looks really good. So after all the dust settled I turned everything on and made sure the surround sound worked and wanted to see if the 4K worked. Well the surround sound worked but the 4K would not come on. I could get HDR to check on the xbox S  but not the 4K. It would say "no connection".  So I was not happy to say the least. I spent a lot of time looking into it and it looked like the TV I bought was not HRD10 which the Xbox S requires to get 4K. So I thought F**K!!! Then I started to check things out I really did not want to buy another TV. I am came across an article about receivers needing to be 4K as well and then I knew what the problem was. My old pioneer was great but it was only for HDMI not 4K.  So recently I went got a Denon receiver which supports 4K and hooked that up. After I did that the 4K does check off on the xbox S. Also now I have much better surround sound than I did. So it was a win win for me. I had to get a new receiver no matter what.  THere are also so many more options to mess with and it connects to the internet which is cool. If I had known this in the first place I would saved myself a lot of time and money. Now I have to bring my guy back in and rewire some things and clean up some extra wires hanging around. Not to mention if I did not come across that article about the receiver I would have bought a new TV and then been really pissed!

Yesterday is the first day I really got spend anytime with it and I learned that on the Xbox S I had to change the setting from 1080p to Ultra 4K under the video settings. Once I did that I did notice the home page looked a little different. Then I went on TGC and turned it off and on. It does look different. THe green is greener and the trees seem to look better. I did it with BF1 as well and really not sure if it looks better or not.  I know these games are not 4K so was not expecting much. I am little confused on this whole up scaling games that are not 4K so not really sure what the setting does when you change it to 1080p to 4K. Again I was not expecting much for these two games I was more getting ready for games that are HDR or 4K and then ultimately the Scorpio.

ANyways that is most of my story. I hope it helps someone. I am sure I will have more info to share and I play around more with it and I educate myself some more.

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« Reply #1 on: April 17, 2017, 02:47:50 PM »
I just picked up Forza Horizon 3 but haven't tried it on the 4K screen yet.  It has the HDR support so I really need to check it out.  I have only played it on my PC so far. From what I understand, BF1 has not been updated yet for the HDR but supposedly it is going to happen.  I'm looking forward to seeing that one as well.

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« Reply #2 on: April 17, 2017, 08:47:52 PM »
The up scaling can vary greatly from tv manufacture to the next, in my research LG and sone had the best rated up scaling, but the articals I read said to expect many patches from both the tv makers and the console makers during 2017.

They still have not settled on a standard for hdr10 or dolby vision ,so its a hit and miss right now to get a good set up

Just keep checking and update both your tv and your console when you can
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« Reply #3 on: April 18, 2017, 11:35:17 AM »
So I got more time with it and there is a difference when I switch it form 1080 to 4k. What I notice on TGC is the colors are brighter and things seem less jagged. Looks smoother all around. Unless I am crazy it is doing something.

I have to say this Denon receiver is amazing for the money.  Night and day compared to my old one as far as options and sound quality. One of the coolest things is when you install it it walks you through everything and then it comes with a mic and does a sound test for your room. I have always been into audio video tech and this is the closest thing to a movie theater I have ever had. The other cool thing is you can DL an app and control it from your phone. So many options ( almost overkill ) to mess with.

Knock on wood but I finally think I have this man room where I want it minus a golf simulator. I do not have much room but since I got rid of the drop ceiling I can take a full swing with a driver. I was looking and the Skytrak simulator but not sure if I want to spend the money or not my wife may start giving me the eye if I do it lol. I am turning 40 in may so might be justified.

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« Reply #4 on: April 18, 2017, 10:50:11 PM »
Is the receiver hdcp 2.2 as well wth hdr pass through and Dolby atmos?

If so change the Xbox settings to bitstream vs 5.1 or 7.1
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« Reply #5 on: April 19, 2017, 07:57:57 AM »
Is the receiver hdcp 2.2 as well wth hdr pass through and Dolby atmos?

If so change the Xbox settings to bitstream vs 5.1 or 7.1

Yes as I have the same one.

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« Reply #6 on: April 19, 2017, 12:12:21 PM »
Is the receiver hdcp 2.2 as well wth hdr pass through and Dolby atmos?

If so change the Xbox settings to bitstream vs 5.1 or 7.1

Yes as I have the same one.

Amazing receiver.....

Yup....

Very cool thing I noticed. So I like to listen to Pandora when playing and on my old SS if would put it through all my speakers. The way I have it now it only goes through the front tower speakers and nothing else. So it is truly background music. The cool thing is when the loading or spawn comes up in BF1 all I hear is music and then when I enter the game the rest of speakers kick in that just dedicated to the game sound. Then if I want to just listen to music I can switch it back to all the speakers.

Hey Tim I am not sure when you got yours but did you DL the firmware update? I am hesitate to because I have had bad luck with firmware updates. If you did was it worth it and what did it do?

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« Reply #7 on: April 19, 2017, 01:20:59 PM »
Yes and no issues with the firmware update.

I did have to call Denon support last night due to my TV losing connection with the receiver and instead of signal in pass through from ARC, it went to CEC-Anywhere and all I got was a static screen. Disabled that and no more issues.

Sound truly blows the doors off of my Denon AVR-1912....

Next on my list are some Klipsch Dolby Armos speakers...

I'm running a Klipsch Quintet right now with a 12 " Klipsch sub and it is really an upgrade on what I had before.
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« Reply #8 on: April 19, 2017, 01:48:32 PM »
Ok I will look into Dl it.

I also have Klipsch SS and the 12 " sub. I also have two tower Cerwin Vegas speakers to add it. Love those old tower speakers.
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« Reply #9 on: April 19, 2017, 01:55:52 PM »
So I'm using the Onkyo TX-NR656 receiver and now have 7.2 running but I'm thinking about adjusting my speaker set up for 5.2.2 being Dolby Atmos

170 w/ch makes a difference it seems and the settings and per speaker db +/- as well as the equalizer per speaker zone is crazy nice


My only fear is speakers falling on my head.

Anyone attempt mounting Dolby atmos surround speaker overhead yet?

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« Reply #10 on: April 19, 2017, 02:08:08 PM »
I do have my surround sound all mounted around the room if that is what you are asking. I had a professional do it though.

One problem I have is my sub moves around. It is behind the couch  and slides across the vinyl floor. I need to get some Velcro or something. I can add another sub if I wanted which I might do.
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« Reply #11 on: April 19, 2017, 02:14:40 PM »
I do have my surround sound all mounted around the room if that is what you are asking. I had a professional do it though.

One problem I have is my sub moves around. It is behind the couch  and slides across the vinyl floor. I need to get some Velcro or something. I can add another sub if I wanted which I might do.

That's not what I mean. Maybe pictures or a link will better display my comment

The below is Dolby Atmos which is very different from 5.1, or 7.1

In short, if you have a 7.1 or 7.2 receiver, the surround left and right become overhead

Ideally I'd love to own a 11.2 receiver for the full 7.1 and 4 Dolby atmos overhead speakers


Link: https://www.dolby.com/us/en/guide/dolby-atmos-speaker-setup/5-1-2-setups.html







Ideally 11.2 receivers would become 7.2.4 atmos setup



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« Reply #12 on: April 19, 2017, 02:17:49 PM »
Ahhh yea I have it like the first picture but with the sub behind me.

Yea I would not want a speaker above my head. Especially when my kids come down and watch a movie.
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« Reply #13 on: April 19, 2017, 02:19:35 PM »
I have 4 Atmos speakers in my ceiling.  They are in-wall/ceiling speakers and it was done professionally so I am not too concerned they are going to fall on my head.    :)

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« Reply #14 on: April 19, 2017, 02:22:59 PM »
Ahhh yea I have it like the first picture but with the sub behind me.

Yea I would not want a speaker above my head. Especially when my kids come down and watch a movie.


Are you sure. The first picture has two overhead speakers not s-left and s-right?

I'm trying to not do a lot of drilling if possible but can't foresee buying two $700 speakers to bounce sound off the ceiling

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5.1.2(overhead not on the side)

 

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