[clayg17]

 why do ya put the flag right behind a hazard on a par 3 or a shot where you have to use a 3w, 5w or 3i  you know the balls not going to stop theres no velcrow  so its going all the way across the green. huh ,why. its no fun wasting a shot.
flame me if you want I don't care . I just had to get this off my chest.
 

[UrsusArctos]

Playing a "3-times" course? the 1st, the last and the only time?

[clayg17]

 don't know what that means

[clubcaptain]

Played a course today and first 8 holes ran off the back of the green. gave up at that point. Won't be playing it again.

[clayg17]

the designers make these courses that you don't want to play again

[ObsoleteNexus]

I agree with comments in this thread. Threads such as this hopefully assist me in making better courses.

I would like to ask some questions for considered answers.

How old were some of the courses played?
(Reason I ask is because I wonder how many of the older courses were designed around the old "dial a distance" mechanic).

Do you always aim for the pin?
(Some greens - like a lot of UK links courses - require you landing short, often off the green and rolling the ball up to the hole).
(Some greens you need to land a certain side of the hole, landing left is safe, landing right may probably or certainly cause the ball to roll off the green).
(When listening to commentators, why do they explain a pro golfer is fading a ball into the green to a certain area, even if no hazards are in play, due to the design of the green that the pro golfer is familar with).

Please understand I am not saying the comments are without merit and that some greens are poorly designed (may very well be guilty myself), posing the above questions for something to consider when accessing a course.
I find some courses I have to play a second time to see if I am missing the nuances of the design.

[BentFiveWood]

One of the par 3 greens on Augusta has the pin very well protected by a front bunker and the greens are fast.
However, the contour of the green allows for you to land short on the right side and follow the break in a U-shape down to the hole.

I LOVE THIS.  These are the kind of shots I love.  I like to imagine a variety of ways that people can get to a hole and block off all but one or two.  On the other hand, I like par 5 greens that force you to tackle them conventionally (in regulation) by laying up.  Anyone who could pull off a miracle and stick a fairway wood from 230-250 would deserve it then but would also be severely punished by missing the shot.

I also like it when greens allow you to run up to the green but well away from the pin.  Good putters would opt for that but those less adept would have the option to lay up.  Or when there is a narrow strip of fairway that allow a slim chance for a run up.

As others have mentioned, it's when there is absolutely no chance of hitting the green and keeping the ball on for the majority of holes then you've lost me.  I just think that for a lot of designers there isn't enough consideration paid to making challenging greens that are not virtually impossible.

[Wolverin3]

There is a valid point in the OP`s comment..some par 3`s are 190+ yards with the pin badly placed..but more of a problem..there is no run on area on some courses..so you have to hit the green, hoping for a stop..but you dont get that stop and just go sailing through the green...hopefully not in water, in a bunker is fine..as I believe bunkers at the back are to catch/stop shots with too much power.

Valid point on the D.A.D nexus..earlier courses were made to make the game harder because of this, along with the ridiculously sloped greens.

Another problem is courses are nearly always set to fast greens..again, to probably make it harder..which has a reverse effect, if you go whizzing off the green on nearly all your approach shots it will piss you off and you will probably rage/fed up quit the course. ( I am guilty of this myself..playing 7/8/9 irons to front of greens to end up 60ft away on the back fringe)....I personally hate that feeling and make my greens soft and landable (apart from my hard course) to the cost of it being too easy...its a catch 22 situation.

[Hawk Eye]

The main thing is green elevations must be relevant to the speed of the green,get this wrong and it can be unplayable,
Elevations up or down to greens,? I find this game may not have the shot in the bag for some of them, i think it needs choice of clubs and irons added,so long as you carry the 14 allowed.
I may change the clubs i carry in the other golf game i play depending on the course.

[BentFiveWood]

It's really all about playing your own course a number of times.  If you are playing your own course and getting incredibly frustrated by the inability to hold greens, then you need to change it or people will not play it.

<drops the mic>

[Hawk Eye]

why do ya put the flag right behind a hazard on a par 3 or a shot where you have to use a 3w, 5w or 3i  you know the balls not going to stop theres no velcrow  so its going all the way across the green. huh ,why. its no fun wasting a shot.
flame me if you want I don't care . I just had to get this off my chest.

This is bad ,theres no shot for that, i fell fowl on a lot of these shots ended up in water, it's even worse with a big + elevation on the shot as a long iron comes in very low

[peterx]

Another problem is courses are nearly always set to fast greens..again, to probably make it harder..which has a reverse effect, if you go whizzing off the green on nearly all your approach shots it will piss you off and you will probably rage/fed up quit the course.

These courses are user-created or HB made? Is it that driving and long iron shots are so straight and forgiving that the designers make greens and, perhaps putting, more punitive in the interest of producing plausible scores?

[BentFiveWood]

Another problem is courses are nearly always set to fast greens..again, to probably make it harder..which has a reverse effect, if you go whizzing off the green on nearly all your approach shots it will piss you off and you will probably rage/fed up quit the course.

These courses are user-created or HB made? Is it that driving and long iron shots are so straight and forgiving that the designers make greens and, perhaps putting, more punitive in the interest of producing plausible scores?

I haven't really had an issue with any of the official HB courses with respect to green accessibility.  That said, I do find I don't need to put much thought into the shots I make on those courses either (Sorry HB guys).  But I attribute that to catering to the casual player, by and large.

[Hawk Eye]

Another problem is courses are nearly always set to fast greens..again, to probably make it harder..which has a reverse effect, if you go whizzing off the green on nearly all your approach shots it will piss you off and you will probably rage/fed up quit the course.

These courses are user-created or HB made? Is it that driving and long iron shots are so straight and forgiving that the designers make greens and, perhaps putting, more punitive in the interest of producing plausible scores?

It's just simple bad design probably by people being to eager to get a course published, when you knock a putt within a foot of a hole and it comes back 20 foot (as has happened to me ) you won't play the course again