2k21 Mouse Tempo

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Theopen

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« on: August 21, 2020, 11:07:08 PM »
If the developers could provide any information on how the game was calibrated for mouse (eg. what DPI/sensitivity settings did you use as a test bed), it could be very helpful; however, it really does feel like this game is broken for mouse.

With TGC2019 (Masters clubs), I could hit a perfect/perfect tempo nearly every shot (with 2,600 rounds under my belt and a HCP that got into the mid +40's).  With pro/masters difficulty in the new game, I'm seeing a "perfect" tempo maybe 5% of the time, at best.  On top of that, the penalty "zone" for fast/slow seems to be all over the place as well.  I used the swing calibration thing - twice.  It didn't help.  I hit nearly 100 balls on the range and didn't get a single perfect tempo.

I'm using the exact same settings as the previous game.  800 DPI with 50 in-game sensitivity (Logitech MX518, latest model).

Please look into adjusting the mouse calculations ... something is seriously off.

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« Reply #1 on: August 23, 2020, 12:15:46 PM »
Just so you know, with a controller it's no better. I've had maybe 1 or 2 perfects a round on master. I think that's how it's supposed to be, very difficult.

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« Reply #2 on: August 25, 2020, 09:03:11 AM »
In a typical round of golf, real life pros make less than 10 perfect swings a round so I would say the game is calibrated pretty accurately.  I don't understand why people expect or would want to make perfect\perfect swings all the time.  That's not golf, but that's just my opinion.  I guess not everyone wants a golf game that is as hard as real life golf.  I personally do.

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« Reply #3 on: August 26, 2020, 05:24:28 PM »
I've had a lot more time with this game (nearly 40 hours and 100 rounds in), and I'm still absolutely positive that it's broken for mouse - particularly on Masters swing difficulty.

100 swings on the range (with calibration) resulted in ONE perfect tempo.  I've played a dozen rounds on the same difficulty and could count the perfects on one hand.  I'm also watching the results of controller users, and they are not having nearly as hard of a time.  I just want the devs to look at that imbalance.

In comparison, on Pro-Am difficulty, I can hit perfect nearly every swing.  On Pro difficulty, I get maybe 40-50% perfects.  The big difference is that fast/slow on Pro aren't nearly as punishing.  Dropping down to 1% on Masters is ridiculous.

For the record, not getting "perfect" isn't the real problem ... it's the amount of variance in the fast/slows.  One shot will be fast and veer off course maybe 10 yards.  The next will be a super slow that slices 90 degrees (seemingly always when there's water on that side).  There is NO consistency.


Flyinjoe ... in my opinion, I'm not sure why someone that sucks at real life golf would ever want to suck in a video game as well.  That makes no sense to me.

Tiger Woods in his prime shot absurd scores ... why?  He was super consistent with his swing.  Any golfer that has ever been top ranked, got there through consistency.  It's the defining skill of the game - period.

I love video game golf, because I'm super consistent with fine muscle movements in my hand/wrists.  If I wasn't consistent, then it would certainly be more like real golf - and what would be the fun in that?  I play video game golf so that I can shoot like Tiger/Rory/AnyTopGolfer.

Regardless, I should be able to accidentally hit more than 1% on Masters ... so, again, please, I ask that the developers take another look at whatever calculations are being used for mouse input.


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« Reply #4 on: August 27, 2020, 01:30:38 AM »
If the developers could provide any information on how the game was calibrated for mouse (eg. what DPI/sensitivity settings did you use as a test bed), it could be very helpful; however, it really does feel like this game is broken for mouse.

With TGC2019 (Masters clubs), I could hit a perfect/perfect tempo nearly every shot (with 2,600 rounds under my belt and a HCP that got into the mid +40's).  With pro/masters difficulty in the new game, I'm seeing a "perfect" tempo maybe 5% of the time, at best.  On top of that, the penalty "zone" for fast/slow seems to be all over the place as well.  I used the swing calibration thing - twice.  It didn't help.  I hit nearly 100 balls on the range and didn't get a single perfect tempo.

I'm using the exact same settings as the previous game.  800 DPI with 50 in-game sensitivity (Logitech MX518, latest model).

Please look into adjusting the mouse calculations ... something is seriously off.
Brian, Smiling Goats posted this on TGCTs forum:
 
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The data thus far shows a significant advantage for mouse users over controller users on PC when it comes to tempo.
I'd contact him and ask for the names of the other PC players who've completed some of the test rounds.  Maybe those guys could give you some feedback.
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« Reply #5 on: August 28, 2020, 01:30:43 PM »
I'm also watching the results of controller users, and they are not having nearly as hard of a time.
....they aren't? I need to find these people and get some pointers then. After picking up tempo very quickly in tgc2, being incredibly consistent with tempo throughout 2 and 19, I'm at a complete loss for how to get some sort of consistency on the controller. Genuinely feels random sometimes, but what do I know...

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« Reply #6 on: September 03, 2020, 09:36:51 AM »
Well, things have certainly changed since the latest "patch".  I just wanted to make sure I came back here and thanked the developers for tweaking things so quickly.  It was really bad ... and now it's much better.

Masters is still plenty difficult, but I maybe get 10-15% perfects now (up from 1%) to 25% on a really good day.  So, it's definitely more challenging than TGC2019, but it's at least playable now (the fast/slow don't seem nearly as chaotic now, either).  So, again, thank you devs!

Justin, sorry man ... it was unfair of me to throw out a blanket statement like that ... it was simply based on what I was seeing on the leaderboards in TGCT events ... and a lot of controller users on the forums saying "everything is fine you just need to practice".  It was a few days after I posted this that I saw how much trouble even Vitaly was having.




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« Reply #7 on: September 12, 2020, 08:45:21 PM »
The tempo was difficult to start but I have started figuring it out and am playing much better and am on Masters with numerous Perfects or near misses.

For me it is a shorter backswing and then a steady down swing.  I play 1250 DPI with 90 mouse sensitivity.  I think we need the higher mouse sensitivity to prevent the slows. I'd rather have a slightly fast than a slow any day due to the yardage penalty. 

Also go to start>type "mouse"> go to advanced mouse options > Pointer options and turn OFF enhance mouse pointer. It is a relic that can interfere with mouse play.  If you have a g-sync GPU/monitor or a freesync GPU/monitor, go into the graphic settings in game and turn off v-sync.

Other than that I would simply say from 2019 to now, the down swing is  bit faster. For me the key was a shorter back swing.

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« Reply #8 on: September 13, 2020, 01:47:24 PM »
In a typical round of golf, real life pros make less than 10 perfect swings a round so I would say the game is calibrated pretty accurately.  I don't understand why people expect or would want to make perfect\perfect swings all the time.  That's not golf, but that's just my opinion.  I guess not everyone wants a golf game that is as hard as real life golf.  I personally do.

I dont understand and, never have understood anyone's obsession with hitting mostly all perfect shots at the highest difficulty setting in the game.  Dont think of the settings as beginner/pro/master.  Just choose the setting that brings you the most enjoyment and let everyone else do the same.  If all of the settings were super easy a lot of people would be turned off on the game.
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« Reply #9 on: September 13, 2020, 03:43:12 PM »
In a typical round of golf, real life pros make less than 10 perfect swings a round so I would say the game is calibrated pretty accurately.  I don't understand why people expect or would want to make perfect\perfect swings all the time.  That's not golf, but that's just my opinion.  I guess not everyone wants a golf game that is as hard as real life golf.  I personally do.

I dont understand and, never have understood anyone's obsession with hitting mostly all perfect shots at the highest difficulty setting in the game.  Dont think of the settings as beginner/pro/master.  Just choose the setting that brings you the most enjoyment and let everyone else do the same.  If all of the settings were super easy a lot of people would be turned off on the game.

I don't understand it either.  I am still on PRO-AM swing and maybe get 5-6 shots per round where I hit a perfect tempo.  I have turned off most aids (no scout cam, only wind direction, green grids are stil on as on PS4 I find it impossible to putt, using book only for yardage) and it is rare that I get a birdie.  It is a grind to get a par.  I am enjoying it thoroughly.  This game has so many options to make it as hard, or as easy as one would like.

Unlike PC/mouse users I have no way to manipulate my sensitivity as I use a standard PS4 controller.   The game is just about perfect for me.

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« Reply #10 on: September 13, 2020, 06:39:17 PM »
In a typical round of golf, real life pros make less than 10 perfect swings a round so I would say the game is calibrated pretty accurately.  I don't understand why people expect or would want to make perfect\perfect swings all the time.  That's not golf, but that's just my opinion.  I guess not everyone wants a golf game that is as hard as real life golf.  I personally do.

I dont understand and, never have understood anyone's obsession with hitting mostly all perfect shots at the highest difficulty setting in the game.  Dont think of the settings as beginner/pro/master.  Just choose the setting that brings you the most enjoyment and let everyone else do the same.  If all of the settings were super easy a lot of people would be turned off on the game.

I don't understand it either.  I am still on PRO-AM swing and maybe get 5-6 shots per round where I hit a perfect tempo.  I have turned off most aids (no scout cam, only wind direction, green grids are stil on as on PS4 I find it impossible to putt, using book only for yardage) and it is rare that I get a birdie.  It is a grind to get a par.  I am enjoying it thoroughly.  This game has so many options to make it as hard, or as easy as one would like.

Unlike PC/mouse users I have no way to manipulate my sensitivity as I use a standard PS4 controller.   The game is just about perfect for me.

I am suprised you have scout cam off. I will tell you what, the ps4 controller is tougher to use than my xbox one controller on pc.   Using ps4 controller if I pull back to quickly it stutters and resets. You have to have a slower takeaway.  It at least I'm seeing this
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« Reply #11 on: September 13, 2020, 07:06:54 PM »
In a typical round of golf, real life pros make less than 10 perfect swings a round so I would say the game is calibrated pretty accurately.  I don't understand why people expect or would want to make perfect\perfect swings all the time.  That's not golf, but that's just my opinion.  I guess not everyone wants a golf game that is as hard as real life golf.  I personally do.

I dont understand and, never have understood anyone's obsession with hitting mostly all perfect shots at the highest difficulty setting in the game.  Dont think of the settings as beginner/pro/master.  Just choose the setting that brings you the most enjoyment and let everyone else do the same.  If all of the settings were super easy a lot of people would be turned off on the game.

I don't understand it either.  I am still on PRO-AM swing and maybe get 5-6 shots per round where I hit a perfect tempo.  I have turned off most aids (no scout cam, only wind direction, green grids are stil on as on PS4 I find it impossible to putt, using book only for yardage) and it is rare that I get a birdie.  It is a grind to get a par.  I am enjoying it thoroughly.  This game has so many options to make it as hard, or as easy as one would like.

Unlike PC/mouse users I have no way to manipulate my sensitivity as I use a standard PS4 controller.   The game is just about perfect for me.

I am suprised you have scout cam off. I will tell you what, the ps4 controller is tougher to use than my xbox one controller on pc.   Using ps4 controller if I pull back to quickly it stutters and resets. You have to have a slower takeaway.  It at least I'm seeing this

I started playing in a society on the PS4, and they experimented with the settings.  All aids are turned off except green grids.  There is no wind speed showing, only direction.  No scout cam!  Can you believe that?

I like using the circle button to bring up the topographical map, and only showing the yardage that way.  It makes it very realistic, while keeping the ability to hit some tough putts by keeping the green grids on.  I like it!

I certainly hit some tee shots that go wayward into bunkers/trouble...and even hit into out of bounds areas when you can't use the scout cam.  All in all, very enjoyable in 2k21.  I just could not get the game consistent enough in 2k19 to play that way.

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« Reply #12 on: September 13, 2020, 08:35:51 PM »
  No scout cam!  Can you believe that?

I like using the circle button to bring up the topographical map, and only showing the yardage that way.  It makes it very realistic, while keeping the ability to hit some tough putts by keeping the green grids on.  I like it!

I've started a Society on PC and turned off the scout cam and it's really IMO the way to go. One way to make this game challenging is removing the ability to pin point your approach shots with the scout cam. If you think about it, it's maybe the most unrealistic thing about this game. Once you don't become dependent on it, using the yardage book is a must and actually kinda fun.

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« Reply #13 on: September 14, 2020, 06:15:43 AM »
In a typical round of golf, real life pros make less than 10 perfect swings a round so I would say the game is calibrated pretty accurately.  I don't understand why people expect or would want to make perfect\perfect swings all the time.  That's not golf, but that's just my opinion.  I guess not everyone wants a golf game that is as hard as real life golf.  I personally do.

I dont understand and, never have understood anyone's obsession with hitting mostly all perfect shots at the highest difficulty setting in the game.  Dont think of the settings as beginner/pro/master.  Just choose the setting that brings you the most enjoyment and let everyone else do the same.  If all of the settings were super easy a lot of people would be turned off on the game.

I don't understand it either.  I am still on PRO-AM swing and maybe get 5-6 shots per round where I hit a perfect tempo.  I have turned off most aids (no scout cam, only wind direction, green grids are stil on as on PS4 I find it impossible to putt, using book only for yardage) and it is rare that I get a birdie.  It is a grind to get a par.  I am enjoying it thoroughly.  This game has so many options to make it as hard, or as easy as one would like.

Unlike PC/mouse users I have no way to manipulate my sensitivity as I use a standard PS4 controller.   The game is just about perfect for me.

I am suprised you have scout cam off. I will tell you what, the ps4 controller is tougher to use than my xbox one controller on pc.   Using ps4 controller if I pull back to quickly it stutters and resets. You have to have a slower takeaway.  It at least I'm seeing this

I tried to tell you that years ago, that no two controllers are alike.  I had alot of issues with various controllers behaving differently in the previous iterations of The Golf Club.  Fortunately, 2k21 seems to be fine with all 3 of my Sony controllers.  Glad you are ejoying the game as well, and have found your sweet spot in the difficulty levels.  The game really does allow you to fine tune the game to get the gameplay experience that anyone could want.

 

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