Breaking down the different club attributes

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jeffield

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« on: May 03, 2021, 09:15:07 PM »
So,  maybe i should already know this but,  can someone clarify some of these club attributes as we compare the clubset we are currently using against a different selection.

Distance-  we all know what this is
Shot Shaping-  to me, this means the ability to slice/fade a shot (  the greater the white bar ,  the more a left/ right draw or fade will be applied).   does this also effect the downswing/upswing emphasis?   thus effecting backspin or low trajectory into the wind?

Forgiveness-
im assuming this applies to both being off of the swing plane and,  the ease of hitting within the tempo band.   ( is it both?)
Swing Plane-  i have no idea what this is   (any clarification would be appreciated )

Distance control-  im figuring this is the effect that the up/down adjustment of the pre shot effects the distance the ball travels in relevance to its listed carry distance.
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Links at Lighthouse Sound
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Links at Gettysburg
golf digest 4.5/5 stars

War Admiral at GlenRiddle
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#37 Toughest Course in U.S.- Golf Digest
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AndersNM

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« Reply #1 on: May 04, 2021, 04:38:19 AM »
So,  maybe i should already know this but,  can someone clarify some of these club attributes as we compare the clubset we are currently using against a different selection.

Distance-  we all know what this is
Shot Shaping-  to me, this means the ability to slice/fade a shot (  the greater the white bar ,  the more a left/ right draw or fade will be applied).   does this also effect the downswing/upswing emphasis?   thus effecting backspin or low trajectory into the wind?

Forgiveness-
im assuming this applies to both being off of the swing plane and,  the ease of hitting within the tempo band.   ( is it both?)
Swing Plane-  i have no idea what this is   (any clarification would be appreciated )

Distance control-  im figuring this is the effect that the up/down adjustment of the pre shot effects the distance the ball travels in relevance to its listed carry distance.

With more shot shaping, you can get more draw/fade but also more backspin etc.
Forgiveness is wider window for swing timing (tempo). This do not affect the window for swing plane at all.
Swing-Plane is wider window for the swing plane.
Distance control is wider window for the intended distance you have set with the aim marker - so if your intended shot is 95% partial, you have a wider area of backswing length that produce this result. This is more easy to see if you have the power-meter on - where you can see the white window for the distance of the aim marker.

jeffield

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« Reply #2 on: May 05, 2021, 04:54:06 AM »
So,  maybe i should already know this but,  can someone clarify some of these club attributes as we compare the clubset we are currently using against a different selection.

Distance-  we all know what this is
Shot Shaping-  to me, this means the ability to slice/fade a shot (  the greater the white bar ,  the more a left/ right draw or fade will be applied).   does this also effect the downswing/upswing emphasis?   thus effecting backspin or low trajectory into the wind?

Forgiveness-
im assuming this applies to both being off of the swing plane and,  the ease of hitting within the tempo band.   ( is it both?)
Swing Plane-  i have no idea what this is   (any clarification would be appreciated )

Distance control-  im figuring this is the effect that the up/down adjustment of the pre shot effects the distance the ball travels in relevance to its listed carry distance.

With more shot shaping, you can get more draw/fade but also more backspin etc.
Forgiveness is wider window for swing timing (tempo). This do not affect the window for swing plane at all.
Swing-Plane is wider window for the swing plane.
Distance control is wider window for the intended distance you have set with the aim marker - so if your intended shot is 95% partial, you have a wider area of backswing length that produce this result. This is more easy to see if you have the power-meter on - where you can see the white window for the distance of the aim marker.

Good descriptions,  thanks Anders.  This helps  lot.  And yes, I get swing plane now.  It is what it says it is, I  just wasnt picking up on it.  Distance control for partials, forgiveness is tempo.  I will engraine these in my head a little better when choosing what I think I need.   Prob. Helped a few others as well.
Created RCR Courses: 
Links at Lighthouse Sound
nicknamed "The Pebble Beach of the East"

Links at Gettysburg
golf digest 4.5/5 stars

War Admiral at GlenRiddle
2017 top 40 places to play in Maryland

Legends- Moorland Course
#37 Toughest Course in U.S.- Golf Digest
Americas top courses '03 & '09

Loftyando

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« Reply #3 on: May 05, 2021, 05:36:53 AM »
The following is taken directly from the official PGATour 2K website.


DISTANCE

    Gameplay: determines the max carry distance, launch RPMs, and apex of a shot.
    Counter attribute: forgiveness (more distance = less forgiveness)
    Pro: increased distance offers more scoring potential on long holes, with well struck shots.
    Con: reduced hook/slice control (forgiveness) can lower FIR and GIR percentages for a lesser skilled golfer.


FORGIVENESS

    Gameplay: impacts the downswing timing forgiveness; poor timing tilts the spin axis on the ball, resulting in off target shots.
    Counter attribute: distance (more forgiveness = less distance)
    Pro: increased hook/slice forgiveness keeps you out of the hazards, and on target more often than not.
    Con: reduced distance can make scoring on longer holes more challenging.


SWING PLANE

    Gameplay: impacts the swing plane forgiveness; missing the swing plane adds push or pull to a shot.
    Counter attribute: distance control (more swing plane = less distance control)
    Pro: increased push/pull forgiveness keeps you out of the hazards, and on target more often than not.
    Con: reduced distance control makes it harder to dial in that distance, resulting in more over/under shooting of your target.


DISTANCE CONTROL

    Gameplay: impacts the backswing to downswing transition window; backswing transition point determines the swing power.
    Counter attribute: swing plane (more distance control = less swing plane)
    Pro: increased distance control reduces the chance of an over swing or an under swing, keeping you on target.
    Con: reduced swing plane increases the chance of pushing or pulling your shot.


SHOT SHAPING

    Gameplay: impacts the amount of fade/draw/spin control that can be done using the True Shot shaping feature.
    Counter attribute: various (more shot shaping = less other attributes)
    Pro: more flexibility with shot shaping means more ways to attack the target.
    Con: a situational attribute that doesn't come into play unless the player chooses to make use of it.

jeffield

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« Reply #4 on: May 05, 2021, 10:22:39 AM »
The following is taken directly from the official PGATour 2K website.


DISTANCE

    Gameplay: determines the max carry distance, launch RPMs, and apex of a shot.
    Counter attribute: forgiveness (more distance = less forgiveness)
    Pro: increased distance offers more scoring potential on long holes, with well struck shots.
    Con: reduced hook/slice control (forgiveness) can lower FIR and GIR percentages for a lesser skilled golfer.


FORGIVENESS

    Gameplay: impacts the downswing timing forgiveness; poor timing tilts the spin axis on the ball, resulting in off target shots.
    Counter attribute: distance (more forgiveness = less distance)
    Pro: increased hook/slice forgiveness keeps you out of the hazards, and on target more often than not.
    Con: reduced distance can make scoring on longer holes more challenging.


SWING PLANE

    Gameplay: impacts the swing plane forgiveness; missing the swing plane adds push or pull to a shot.
    Counter attribute: distance control (more swing plane = less distance control)
    Pro: increased push/pull forgiveness keeps you out of the hazards, and on target more often than not.
    Con: reduced distance control makes it harder to dial in that distance, resulting in more over/under shooting of your target.


DISTANCE CONTROL

    Gameplay: impacts the backswing to downswing transition window; backswing transition point determines the swing power.
    Counter attribute: swing plane (more distance control = less swing plane)
    Pro: increased distance control reduces the chance of an over swing or an under swing, keeping you on target.
    Con: reduced swing plane increases the chance of pushing or pulling your shot.


SHOT SHAPING

    Gameplay: impacts the amount of fade/draw/spin control that can be done using the True Shot shaping feature.
    Counter attribute: various (more shot shaping = less other attributes)
    Pro: more flexibility with shot shaping means more ways to attack the target.
    Con: a situational attribute that doesn't come into play unless the player chooses to make use of it.

 thanks for this too.  Good post!
« Last Edit: May 05, 2021, 11:59:21 AM by jeffield »
Created RCR Courses: 
Links at Lighthouse Sound
nicknamed "The Pebble Beach of the East"

Links at Gettysburg
golf digest 4.5/5 stars

War Admiral at GlenRiddle
2017 top 40 places to play in Maryland

Legends- Moorland Course
#37 Toughest Course in U.S.- Golf Digest
Americas top courses '03 & '09

 

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