TGC Tours US Open Course Contest Entry - Thin Skinned in High Hills, Washington

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« Reply #15 on: March 15, 2015, 04:05:54 PM »
Along with a name change, I will update the thread with a hole slew of hole 7 photos, starting from the tee box and slowly moving forward.  The hole is pretty much done, and I am very pleased with the results.

I hope blind shots are allowed in this contest, because this hole has one, off the approach shot.


















after reading CSU's entry,  I will now try harder than ever on this course.  Simply because I don't want to play a major tournament that does not reward good shots, shots in the center of the fairway not staying on the fairway, bowl shaped greens where a missed putt will roll off, and other tricks.  If I do not win, as I expect not to, I hope somebody other than him wins.  As I do play TGC Tours, I want to play good courses.

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« Reply #16 on: March 15, 2015, 04:29:59 PM »
The gambit has been played. .. but the fact is. .. Some will be holding the card's closer to their chest. ... and I expect those who do will provide the winner. .. lol
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« Reply #17 on: March 16, 2015, 02:15:06 AM »
Your fairway bunker edging I'm very envious of lol


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« Reply #18 on: March 16, 2015, 07:27:16 PM »
Now this looks nice can't wait to give it a bash ;D
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« Reply #19 on: March 17, 2015, 05:13:33 PM »
small update to include 8th hole:

The real chambers bay course, has a long par 5 for the 8th hole and a long downhill par 3 for the ninth hole,  due to terrain issues, I have to swap these two holes for each other, meaning my 8th hole will be a long downhill par 3 and my ninth a long par 5 leading to the clubhouse.

The layout of the real hole 9 at chambers bay:


and i will just copy and paste its description, as I can't say it any better:

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Hole 9 (Olympus) – The teeing ground on this long par 3 is perched nearly 100 feet above the green. The oversized green slopes from left to right, providing assistance to players hoping to avoid the menacing bunker short and right of the putting surface. The contours on and around the green provide ample opportunity to get close to the hole. An alternate, lower tee has been installed to provide variety in setup for the U.S. Open.

OLYMPUS: The name Olympus is appropriate since the ninth tee is the highest point on the course, and pays tribute to Mount Olympus, the tallest and most prominent of the Olympic Mountains that are visible across the Puget Sound.

of course, I am not doing a recreation here, just an inspired version, so there are elements i will keep, and elements i will ignore.
what I am keeping is the elevation difference.  my furthest tee will sit just shy of 100 feet above the center of the green, while my closer tee's will be much lower.

creating such a high tee box brings aesthetic issues, and makes it really hard to get a natural look, so this may take quite a bit of work, but with an hour to spare, I at least got the hole off the ground, pun intended.



That is all I will be revealing about this hole for now, but you may get a better feel for what I am going for in my overhead shots for the entire 8 holes that i have laid out: 
(from all angles)









This course is starting to feel like a superb effort, and if i can finish the rest with as much energy as the front half, I think this will be a course for the ages. Hope you think so too.
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« Reply #20 on: March 17, 2015, 06:43:30 PM »
I think once again the judges are going to have a hard time. Clearly the master in you is peeking it's ugly head.

I think everyone is going to step up their game here and deliver some real masterpieces.

Best of all, the requested criteria is right up my alley, I'm so so looking forward to playing all the developed courses, both for fun and in the tours.

Everyone wins here with this contest, most of all HBS.
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« Reply #21 on: March 17, 2015, 08:29:21 PM »
What, me worry?

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« Reply #22 on: March 17, 2015, 08:36:52 PM »
call me crazy but I'd totally ditch the "tree lines" on this one. Trees on this one are taking away from what you're doing with the landscaping. I'd rather see another hole and maybe have a couple of stray scraggly elm trees here and there or the odd willow next to a little pond or something.

I think it would be better served to use grasses and just toss tress out the window. Use bushes here and there instead.

that's my 2 cents.
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« Reply #23 on: March 17, 2015, 09:27:03 PM »
add lots of little furry bunnies everywhere .... and chickens all over the greens ....

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Maybe a sand-whale or two ... in a few of the larger bunkers ....


Throw a cargo  ship in a pond as well ...

If anyone can pull that off and still have a good looking course, you can ....


ROTFLMAO .... ;D
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« Reply #24 on: March 20, 2015, 08:37:06 AM »
LOL  dawg!


onto hole 8 reveal:

as I said earlier, the real hole 9 at chambers bay is a long 230 yard downhill par 3, with a near 100 foot drop, and on my course this will be hole numero 8 due to terrain issues (land plot size vs remaining holes)

so,  here is what I have for hole 8:


the highest tee box, 99 feet above the pin, will not look as clean as the rest of my tee boxes, in order to have a view at the green from this height, you have to be hitting very close to the edge, and that presents limits from the GNCD, i may get docked for the look of this tee box edge, but I feel its worth the rest of the hole from looks to playability.

moving closer to the green complex






on this hole, if you miss short, you dont want to miss short left or short right, if you do, chances of par are very slim, unless of course you are very experienced from those types of lies and shots.

the front of the green has a large false front, this is also the idea landing zone for some of the pin locations this hole will have, as this false front, if used correctly, helps stop your ball so it rolls into the center of the green or the center left/right if you used fade/draw.

if you go pin seeking here, chances are you will roll off the back,  remember, a ball coming from 100 feet above has different physics as it would coming from level ground, its initial bounce is big, make note of that when playing this hole.

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« Reply #25 on: March 20, 2015, 08:45:21 AM »
call me crazy but I'd totally ditch the "tree lines" on this one. Trees on this one are taking away from what you're doing with the landscaping. I'd rather see another hole and maybe have a couple of stray scraggly elm trees here and there or the odd willow next to a little pond or something.

I think it would be better served to use grasses and just toss tress out the window. Use bushes here and there instead.

that's my 2 cents.

ya, i agree it would look better without the trees, but the trees on some holes add to the strategy, for example, hole 1, right off the bat, it asks you "are you going to play safe and pump a strait 5 wood, or are you going to draw your 3wood or driver?",  if i removed that tree, everyone would just pull out the driver.  If i left that tree, and removed the rest of the ones and opened up the course, it would stick out like a sore thumb.  having only trees on the course that come into play looks a little suspicious,  so I will keep trees, but I will use them sparingly from time to time, to open up the straighter holes and such.

if this was not a contest course, ya, those trees would be gone, and grasses/bushes would be the way to go. 

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« Reply #26 on: March 20, 2015, 09:10:45 AM »
onto hole 9:

the real hole 8 at chambers bay is a massive par 5 coming in at around 600 yards, the fairway is hi-low sloping from left to right down the center of it.

I have swapped holes 8 and 9 in my inspired version, so hole 9 will be my take on this massive par 5, with such a lengthy hole, i have plenty of screens for it, but before I get there, lets talk about what I have created first:

This may be one of the more strategic holes on this course, you have plenty of options coming off the tee box, but there really is no wrong club to hit unless you just dont hit it far enough to make it there to the fairway.  But do be sure to land on this very generous fairway, dont miss long, left or right.  There is only one bunker to dodge off the box, and it only comes into play if you try to cut a corner.

if you played this hole the best route (which i am not sharing just yet) you will have a clean shot to hit dead strait towards the green, but no chance of making it there, as my version is pushing 630 yards, so even if you get a chance to hit your 3 wood on your 2nd shot, it will be a layup, the question is, do you want the easier (to execute) and lower right fairway,  or do you want the cleaner, more forgiving and higher left side fairway?  to get the the higher side, you will need a perfect tee shot and some draw  on your 2nd shot, if you execute both of your first two shots perfectly, you will be left with the shortest possible approach shot to the green,  if you dont, you may find yourself pumping out a 3 wood trying to get to the green on your approach 3rd shot.

There are very few bunkers throughout  this hole to dodge, until you get to the green complex, but those bunkers really only come into play if you were hitting a wood into the green.

The green is tucked right up against some water on the left side (will have a retaining wall there), but the right front has a small strip of fairway coming into it.
The back side of the green on the left, center, and right are all guarded by high bunkers, so if you do end up in these, you will be hitting down at the pin, which is tougher on you if you go long, because there is water past the green from this angle.

onto the photos:

from the tee box


from above reversed


beginning of the fairway


the split of the fairway


the end of the right side fairway


the end of the left side fairway ( i see i have some rough blending left here at the edge )


both the left and the right fairway from reverse view


the beautiful green complex




i am really liking this 9th hole, and I feel it really puts a staple on the front nine,  if you walk away with a birdie here, you gained a stroke on the field.


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« Reply #27 on: March 20, 2015, 10:06:17 AM »
call me crazy but I'd totally ditch the "tree lines" on this one. Trees on this one are taking away from what you're doing with the landscaping. I'd rather see another hole and maybe have a couple of stray scraggly elm trees here and there or the odd willow next to a little pond or something.

I think it would be better served to use grasses and just toss tress out the window. Use bushes here and there instead.

that's my 2 cents.

ya, i agree it would look better without the trees, but the trees on some holes add to the strategy, for example, hole 1, right off the bat, it asks you "are you going to play safe and pump a strait 5 wood, or are you going to draw your 3wood or driver?",  if i removed that tree, everyone would just pull out the driver.  If i left that tree, and removed the rest of the ones and opened up the course, it would stick out like a sore thumb.  having only trees on the course that come into play looks a little suspicious,  so I will keep trees, but I will use them sparingly from time to time, to open up the straighter holes and such.

if this was not a contest course, ya, those trees would be gone, and grasses/bushes would be the way to go.

I figured that might be the case...just HAD to say something as it was making me all fidgety inside.  ;D
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« Reply #28 on: March 20, 2015, 12:36:09 PM »
What?  I thought they were great suggestions. ... give you a course that would be remembered. .. and talked about for a long  time  ...

LOL
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« Reply #29 on: March 21, 2015, 07:09:00 AM »
moving on to hole 18, as i want to make sure i get it back in towards the clubhouse,  I will be working my holes like this (18, then 10, then 17, then 11, etc) until they meet in the middle.

Hole 18 at the real chambers bay is a medium length par 5, i really aint keeping much of the elements to this hole except for that.

This is the last par 5 on the course, which gives the course 4 of them,  3 on the front, 1 on the back,  par will be 71,  so as of now, the front 9 is par 37, with 2 par 3's, 3 par 5's, and 4 par 4's.
this means the back nine will feature 3 par 3's, 5 par 4's, and 1 par 5 for a par of 34.

thats 5 par 3's on this course, 4 par 5's,  and 9 par 4's to get us to that par 71.  this also means the back nine will be much harder in teams of scoring under par, as no par 3 on this entire course will be an easy flick and putt, and with only 1 par 5 (an easy birdie if managed properly), leaving you with 4 par 4's to get some scoring done on, no easy task if you take into consideration of the previous par 4's.

hole 18 green complex,  will reveal the rest of the hole once its closer to completion.









this green is two tiered, high side on the left, low side on the right.  the green runs long and narrow.  the green is guarded by two bunkers, one long bunker to the left on the high side of the green, and one front right on the low side.
if the hole is played right, you should have less than 100 yards into the green with your 3rd shot, you will need to be very accurate with that shot, and make sure you select the proper type of shot, if the pin is on the high side, you dont want to leave yourself short right.


I will be testing out bumping up the green speed, but if it makes holding the greens much more difficult then ill have to switch it back.

here is what the course is missing:

    retaining walls on most of the water holes and in some of my ideas in other places
    brick walls throughout, along some of the edges, in the tee box areas, etc
    non theme planting (flowers and such items that are global objects, not limited to any theme)
    dummy tees (will not get these until told to put them out or if i lose, after the contest is over)
    more background noise (stuff to look at from a distance) this will come after the full 18 is done
    and a f'ing blimp, yes golf channel has to get the overheads somehow right?


the goal for me is to make a course where the elite will be shooting in a range of -3 to -6 for a full 18
the good players around par or below
and who cares what everyone else shoots right? lol (joke)
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